Fit Fits With: Lawrence Schlossman of 'Throwing Fits'

Christopher Fenimore
·8-min read
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Photo credit: Christopher Fenimore

From Esquire

This edition of Five Fits is a long time coming. I’ve known Lawrence for almost a decade now; he’s one of the first people who was willing to take a chance on my photography. Around the time I met him, he was in the process of starting Four Pins with Complex, a website dedicated entirely to #menswear, a movement that picked up momentum on Tumblr and arguably culminated with Four Pins. It was an insular blog under the guise of a website, and it covered everything in the menswear sphere which, at the time, wasn’t very prolific.

I’d started a series on my personal blog called In Medias Res (let’s call it the philosophical precursor to Five Fits), and he'd asked me to port the series over to Four Pins, in tandem with a street style column, both of which I was happy to oblige him in as I figured I’d be able to reach people and subjects I couldn’t get on my own. Eight years later, I’m happy to feature Lawrence in my most evolved version of the series.

It’s been an honor to watch him rise to whatever it is he’s risen to, however insane and loud it may be. A premier voice in menswear? A Howard Stern for the style-inclined bro set? Throwing Fits, Schlossman’s podcast (shared with his cohost James Harris), has garnered, in the spirit of #menswear, a cult following. It’s sacrilegious and braggadocios, and it’s the place thousands of boys, men, and boy-men come to hear Schlossman and Harris rant about their navigation of “the millennial male zeitgeist.”

I caught up with Lawrence to talk Throwing Fits, self-confidence and how to bet on yourself and your career, and, of course, “jawnz.”

Photo credit: Christopher Fenimore
Photo credit: Christopher Fenimore
Photo credit: Christopher Fenimore
Photo credit: Christopher Fenimore
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Your career path has been anything but normal. Walk me through your life. How did you stumble on men’s fashion, and how did you get to hosting a podcast from starting a blog?

As long as I can remember, I’ve been fascinated with what people were wearing and acutely aware of how they dressed. Regardless of my interests or hobbies themselves—say, basketball, punk rock, or skateboarding—something that always appealed to me at a foundational level was the modes of style and who occupied those spaces and communities at all different levels. Eventually that general enthusiasm coalesced into a proper love of fashion, and I began blogging to scratch that itch around just over a decade ago. Luckily for me, I was at the right place at the right time. This was when the conversations around menswear online were partly migrating from forums to blogs and the individuals who wrote them.

I threw myself completely into the mix and was able to not just begin building a reputation for myself, but a career as well, bouncing around the industry—from PR and editorial to retail and resale—co-authoring Fuck Yeah Menswear, launching Four Pins, creating “Fashion Bros!” and being one of the first employees at Grailed along the way. All the while, and no matter what was going on with my day job, I just always saw the importance of using whatever was the platform du jour to maintain some semblance of a public persona, which is more or less what I do now full-time thanks to Throwing Fits. My memory is absolute dogshit and a lot of the details are unfortunately in the ether at this point, but that’s the long and short of it.

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Can you tell me what Throwing Fits is all about? Why did you choose to partner up with James Harris? What is your goal in having your own podcast?

Whether I was writing myself or editing others, what always stuck with me and cut through the discourse was everything else we talk about when we talk about clothes. At least that’s how it’s always been with my friends, and what feels honest to me. Sometimes it’s a pathway to other areas of interest like music and film, or thoughtful conversations around self-care. Often it’s just completely ridiculous nonsense. Regardless, I think that’s what’s happening with Throwing Fits, whether we’re interviewing a homie or just bullshitting amongst ourselves. The official podcast description calls it “two grown dirtbags just tryna navigate the male millennial zeitgeist.”

James and I have been maneuvering through this minefield together practically since day one, so I can’t imagine podcasting with anyone else to be perfectly honest. As much as I love the sound of my own voice, he’s the ultimate foil. We joke about us tapping into the duality of man as a duo, but there’s definitely some truth there and I think our body of work, despite being riddled with failure, speaks to that. Our friendship and chemistry informs the entire show and makes it what it is. Certain things can’t be faked or taught, so I’m beyond grateful to have him as a cohost, collaborator, and confidant. While I often feel like getting paid to talk shit and hang out should be illegal, I’m not above taking advantage of the situation. Just doing the damn thing full-time and our own terms and seeing where it takes us is, and always has been, the goal.

Photo credit: Christopher Fenimore
Photo credit: Christopher Fenimore
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I think a lot of people have a turning point moment that solidifies their career, or at least their trajectory. Did you have one, and if so, how did you work through reaching it? Do you have any career advice for someone looking to find their voice in fashion, or in the general podcasting space?

It’s hard to pinpoint just one—and not just because of my aforementioned broken brain. I guess there’s just this part of me that never feels solidified or whatever. Give me the chance to bet on myself and I’m gonna take that shit every single fucking time without fail. I think my borderline-delusional self-confidence is my superpower. Tapping into that while also knowing when to ground it in self-awareness is how I’ve worked toward reaching anything in my career. Know what you want, but also know what you’re good at. If you identify, activate, and nurture this sweet spot within yourself, you can at least sleep at night knowing you set yourself up as best as possible, regardless of what the outcome happens to be.

You had a segment on your old show called “Fucking With, Not Fucking With.” Can you tell me what you’re currently loving, and what you’re currently hating?

FW: Western shirts, Belgian shoes, Budweiser (bottles preferably), Greenberg’s Bagels, IG DMs inbox zero, The Boys, Pen15, Nicolas Cage, The Smiths, Benny the Butcher, Sada Baby, Podcast About List, Kurt Vonnegut, Kaitlin Phillips’ column “For Immediate Release” in Spike, @nickusen’s Twitter, doing interviews via phone.

NFW: Sneaker/hypebeast culture, pretentiousness, Morrissey, unsolicited opinions, arguing with strangers on the Internet, doing interviews via email.

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We’re obviously dealing with a period in which everyone is home more than ever. That said, have you purchased anything recently that you have on ice for a first event or outing? Is there anything you have your eye on? How about a piece you’ve wanted to track down, but haven’t been able to?

I’m lucky enough to already own more than enough shit as it is, so for me it’s been all about rediscovering my wardrobe. If this time has reinforced anything in terms of clothing, it’s that I care more about the pursuit of my own personal style than any specific item.

What is a typical day like for you in this new world we’re living in? What is a typical weekend like for you when there isn’t a global pandemic?

I’m not sure my days are unlike anyone’s who happens to be reading this besides mine potentially ending on a two-to-three hour recording session. As for a typical weekend, I’m doing some combination of spending quality time with my wife and dog, running errands, getting some fresh air, shopping, taking a fit pic, eating out instead of cooking, day drinking, blasting a dart or two, smoking too much weed, staying out way too late with friends, spending too much money, and going to the movies if I’m really lucky, which, if I’m being honest, is my absolutely favorite thing to do.

Photo credit: Christopher Fenimore
Photo credit: Christopher Fenimore
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What is on the horizon for you and Throwing Fits, either this year or in the near future?

One of the most enjoyable things right now that I hope to continue is using Throwing Fits as a vessel through which to make product—and I’m not just saying that because it makes us the most money. Whether it’s merch we can’t stop wearing ourselves, like the 5” inseam mesh shorts we dropped, or real, actual jawnz like our collaborative boot with Diemme, creating things that people enjoy as much as we enjoy making them is a privilege. Sprinkle our first few live shows on top of that and the continued opportunity I have to do consulting work with brands and people I love, and I’ll be happier than a pig in shit.

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